Book I - Part 06 - Confutation Of Other Philosophers Poem Rhyme Scheme and Analysis
Rhyme Scheme: ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRST UVWXWTYZMA2B2C2D2E2F 2G2F2F2F2B2F2H2I2F2F 2JJ2K2L2M2F2N2O2P2BF 2N2BQ2R2F2F2BJ2S2 BXT2U2V2W2HX2BY2Z2JF 2MA3B2B3MC3XP2WXU2D3 JE3A3 F3D3G3H3XXXXXXXF2XXX JE3N2F2WI3J3K3L3F2F2 MB2A3L3F2N2M3XF2B2XN 3F2XK2F2XO3XF2F2XXF2 XMF2F2F2A3XFF2XB3I2I 2XF2P3F2F2XWF2BF2MZQ 3O3BD3MF2F2D2L2B| And on such grounds it is that those who held | A |
| The stuff of things is fire and out of fire | B |
| Alone the cosmic sum is formed are seen | C |
| Mightily from true reason to have lapsed | D |
| Of whom chief leader to do battle comes | E |
| That Heraclitus famous for dark speech | F |
| Among the silly not the serious Greeks | G |
| Who search for truth For dolts are ever prone | H |
| That to bewonder and adore which hides | I |
| Beneath distorted words holding that true | J |
| Which sweetly tickles in their stupid ears | K |
| Or which is rouged in finely finished phrase | L |
| For how I ask can things so varied be | M |
| If formed of fire single and pure No whit | N |
| 'Twould help for fire to be condensed or thinned | O |
| If all the parts of fire did still preserve | P |
| But fire's own nature seen before in gross | Q |
| The heat were keener with the parts compressed | R |
| Milder again when severed or dispersed | S |
| And more than this thou canst conceive of naught | T |
| That from such causes could become much less | U |
| Might earth's variety of things be born | V |
| From any fires soever dense or rare | W |
| This too if they suppose a void in things | X |
| Then fires can be condensed and still left rare | W |
| But since they see such opposites of thought | T |
| Rising against them and are loath to leave | Y |
| An unmixed void in things they fear the steep | Z |
| And lose the road of truth Nor do they see | M |
| That if from things we take away the void | A2 |
| All things are then condensed and out of all | B2 |
| One body made which has no power to dart | C2 |
| Swiftly from out itself not anything | D2 |
| As throws the fire its light and warmth around | E2 |
| Giving thee proof its parts are not compact | F2 |
| But if perhaps they think in other wise | G2 |
| Fires through their combinations can be quenched | F2 |
| And change their substance very well behold | F2 |
| If fire shall spare to do so in no part | F2 |
| Then heat will perish utterly and all | B2 |
| And out of nothing would the world be formed | F2 |
| For change in anything from out its bounds | H2 |
| Means instant death of that which was before | I2 |
| And thus a somewhat must persist unharmed | F2 |
| Amid the world lest all return to naught | F2 |
| And born from naught abundance thrive anew | J |
| Now since indeed there are those surest bodies | J2 |
| Which keep their nature evermore the same | K2 |
| Upon whose going out and coming in | L2 |
| And changed order things their nature change | M2 |
| And all corporeal substances transformed | F2 |
| 'Tis thine to know those primal bodies then | N2 |
| Are not of fire For 'twere of no avail | O2 |
| Should some depart and go away and some | P2 |
| Be added new and some be changed in order | B |
| If still all kept their nature of old heat | F2 |
| For whatsoever they created then | N2 |
| Would still in any case be only fire | B |
| The truth I fancy this bodies there are | Q2 |
| Whose clashings motions order posture shapes | R2 |
| Produce the fire and which by order changed | F2 |
| Do change the nature of the thing produced | F2 |
| And are thereafter nothing like to fire | B |
| Nor whatso else has power to send its bodies | J2 |
| With impact touching on the senses' touch | S2 |
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| Again to say that all things are but fire | B |
| And no true thing in number of all things | X |
| Exists but fire as this same fellow says | T2 |
| Seems crazed folly For the man himself | U2 |
| Against the senses by the senses fights | V2 |
| And hews at that through which is all belief | W2 |
| Through which indeed unto himself is known | H |
| The thing he calls the fire For though he thinks | X2 |
| The senses truly can perceive the fire | B |
| He thinks they cannot as regards all else | Y2 |
| Which still are palpably as clear to sense | Z2 |
| To me a thought inept and crazy too | J |
| For whither shall we make appeal for what | F2 |
| More certain than our senses can there be | M |
| Whereby to mark asunder error and truth | A3 |
| Besides why rather do away with all | B2 |
| And wish to allow heat only then deny | B3 |
| The fire and still allow all else to be | M |
| Alike the madness either way it seems | C3 |
| Thus whosoe'er have held the stuff of things | X |
| To be but fire and out of fire the sum | P2 |
| And whosoever have constituted air | W |
| As first beginning of begotten things | X |
| And all whoever have held that of itself | U2 |
| Water alone contrives things or that earth | D3 |
| Createth all and changes things anew | J |
| To divers natures mightily they seem | E3 |
| A long way to have wandered from the truth | A3 |
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| Add too whoever make the primal stuff | F3 |
| Twofold by joining air to fire and earth | D3 |
| To water add who deem that things can grow | G3 |
| Out of the four fire earth and breath and rain | H3 |
| As first Empedocles of Acragas | X |
| Whom that three cornered isle of all the lands | X |
| Bore on her coasts around which flows and flows | X |
| In mighty bend and bay the Ionic seas | X |
| Splashing the brine from off their gray green waves | X |
| Here billowing onward through the narrow straits | X |
| Swift ocean cuts her boundaries from the shores | X |
| Of the Italic mainland Here the waste | F2 |
| Charybdis and here Aetna rumbles threats | X |
| To gather anew such furies of its flames | X |
| As with its force anew to vomit fires | X |
| Belched from its throat and skyward bear anew | J |
| Its lightnings' flash And though for much she seem | E3 |
| The mighty and the wondrous isle to men | N2 |
| Most rich in all good things and fortified | F2 |
| With generous strength of heroes she hath ne'er | W |
| Possessed within her aught of more renown | I3 |
| Nor aught more holy wonderful and dear | J3 |
| Than this true man Nay ever so far and pure | K3 |
| The lofty music of his breast divine | L3 |
| Lifts up its voice and tells of glories found | F2 |
| That scarce he seems of human stock create | F2 |
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| Yet he and those forementioned known to be | M |
| So far beneath him less than he in all | B2 |
| Though as discoverers of much goodly truth | A3 |
| They gave as 'twere from out of the heart's own shrine | L3 |
| Responses holier and soundlier based | F2 |
| Than ever the Pythia pronounced for men | N2 |
| From out the tripod and the Delphian laurel | M3 |
| Have still in matter of first elements | X |
| Made ruin of themselves and great men great | F2 |
| Indeed and heavy there for them the fall | B2 |
| First because banishing the void from things | X |
| They yet assign them motion and allow | N3 |
| Things soft and loosely textured to exist | F2 |
| As air dew fire earth animals and grains | X |
| Without admixture of void amid their frame | K2 |
| Next because thinking there can be no end | F2 |
| In cutting bodies down to less and less | X |
| Nor pause established to their breaking up | O3 |
| They hold there is no minimum in things | X |
| Albeit we see the boundary point of aught | F2 |
| Is that which to our senses seems its least | F2 |
| Whereby thou mayst conjecture that because | X |
| The things thou canst not mark have boundary points | X |
| They surely have their minimums Then too | F2 |
| Since these philosophers ascribe to things | X |
| Soft primal germs which we behold to be | M |
| Of birth and body mortal thus throughout | F2 |
| The sum of things must be returned to naught | F2 |
| And born from naught abundance thrive anew | F2 |
| Thou seest how far each doctrine stands from truth | A3 |
| And next these bodies are among themselves | X |
| In many ways poisons and foes to each | F |
| Wherefore their congress will destroy them quite | F2 |
| Or drive asunder as we see in storms | X |
| Rains winds and lightnings all asunder fly | B3 |
| Thus too if all things are create of four | I2 |
| And all again dissolved into the four | I2 |
| How can the four be called the primal germs | X |
| Of things more than all things themselves be thought | F2 |
| By retroversion primal germs of them | P3 |
| For ever alternately are both begot | F2 |
| With interchange of nature and aspect | F2 |
| From immemorial time But if percase | X |
| Thou think'st the frame of fire and earth the air | W |
| The dew of water can in such wise meet | F2 |
| As not by mingling to resign their nature | B |
| From them for thee no world can be create | F2 |
| No thing of breath no stock or stalk of tree | M |
| In the wild congress of this varied heap | Z |
| Each thing its proper nature will display | Q3 |
| And air will palpably be seen mixed up | O3 |
| With earth together unquenched heat with water | B |
| But primal germs in bringing things to birth | D3 |
| Must have a latent unseen quality | M |
| Lest some outstanding alien element | F2 |
| Confuse and minish in the thing create | F2 |
| Its proper being | D2 |
| But these men begin | L2 |
| From heaven and from its fire | B |
Lucretius
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